
Let AI Do More Without Surrendering Your Judgment with Jen Easterly
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Fresh off the showroom floor at Black Hat 2026, Ron brings back some hot takes from the crowd. Nearly every booth he visited, including the Exaforce booth, was pushing in the same direction. Trust in AI isn’t a philosophy debate anymore, it’s an engineering problem people are actively solving. Ron then catches up with Jen Easterly, CEO of RSAC, for a wide-ranging conversation on what it actually takes to build that trust. From her move out of government to her hard line on AI regulation and liability, the conversation takes an unexpected turn when Jen op...
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A.I. and government regulation. What's your take on it? I don't think, Ron, that we're going to get any meaningful regulation unless something really bad happens.
We have to ensure that there are some standards in place. And frankly, the way to change this is some sort of liability. What's the technology that you think people aren't talking about enough? What we need is autonomous patching.
We should use the power of ingenuity, the creativity of our community to figure out how to drive down that cyber risk to be able to autonomously patch them.
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