The SaaSpocalypse that wasn't, with Atlassian's CEO
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The SaaSpocalypse that wasn't, with Atlassian's CEO

B2Upper-intermediateSeptember 28, 20261 hr 16 min
  • Interview
  • Technology

My guest today is Mike Cannon-Brookes, who is co-founder and CEO of Atlassian. Atlassian is one of those companies that every other company runs on — it makes important platform tools like Jira and Trello. This means Atlassian is also right in the middle of the way AI is changing how all these companies work. Or, if you buy the idea of the so-called SaaSpocalypse, AI might just build all of these tools for you, destroying this entire category of businesses. Obviously, Mike had a lot of thoughts pushing back on this narrative, so we spent time really dig...

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Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Eli Patel, Editor-in-Chief of The Verge, and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today, I'm talking with Mike Cannon Brooks,

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the co-founder and CEO of Atlassian. Atlassian is one of those companies that every other company runs on. It makes important platform tools like Jira and Trello

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that allow people to organize and manage big teams, create shared databases of company information, and generally allow work to happen. As you'll hear Mike say, all of Atlassian's products

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